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the_literary_spider) wrote2011-08-22 09:45 pm
the_literary_spider) wrote2011-08-22 09:45 pm
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Farmyard Animals Of Villainy
"My Invention will turn people into mindless sheep"
"I'm curious to how you'll know it works, I assume it's mainly a cosmetic change"
My favorite quote, well one of them, ever. Thought I'd open with it, no reason why.
Anyway...
....Has there ever been a film (And I'm sure there must be a famous one somewhere, and I've just overlooked it) where a likable villain, or an interesting villian, actually wins completely. Not in the Megamind sense, where they kind of just turn good themselves, or in the Little Shop Of Horrors way where it's a cliff hanger, where they triumph and the hero fails. Not even in the Rocky Horror sense, when the good guys win, but they are portrayed as villainous (Which I suppose is better, a little). If anyone knows of a film like this, I'd like to know, they're fun.
Just to say, many of the so-called evils are in my opinion not so. Frank-N-Furter is supposedly a villain, he's not. Really not. Sweeney Todd, Macavity, Jack Sparrow, none of them are. I suppose the Joker is, but at least he's interesting, and at least penguin and Harley are funny. See if the bad guys are just mindless thugs and criminals, it takes the fun out. They have to have flair.
So Yes, if you know of any, please let me know. Now I shall love you and leave you. I did have a much longer post going on about my Joker obsession and bands I am going to see quite soon, but it deleted itself.
So now, I give you the song I am now hooked on. This is what happens when you listen to Elaine Paige's radio show. I know, I know, it's wierd. But come on, admit it....It's pretty amazing. Good luck getting it out of your head!
"I'm curious to how you'll know it works, I assume it's mainly a cosmetic change"
My favorite quote, well one of them, ever. Thought I'd open with it, no reason why.
Anyway...
....Has there ever been a film (And I'm sure there must be a famous one somewhere, and I've just overlooked it) where a likable villain, or an interesting villian, actually wins completely. Not in the Megamind sense, where they kind of just turn good themselves, or in the Little Shop Of Horrors way where it's a cliff hanger, where they triumph and the hero fails. Not even in the Rocky Horror sense, when the good guys win, but they are portrayed as villainous (Which I suppose is better, a little). If anyone knows of a film like this, I'd like to know, they're fun.
Just to say, many of the so-called evils are in my opinion not so. Frank-N-Furter is supposedly a villain, he's not. Really not. Sweeney Todd, Macavity, Jack Sparrow, none of them are. I suppose the Joker is, but at least he's interesting, and at least penguin and Harley are funny. See if the bad guys are just mindless thugs and criminals, it takes the fun out. They have to have flair.
So Yes, if you know of any, please let me know. Now I shall love you and leave you. I did have a much longer post going on about my Joker obsession and bands I am going to see quite soon, but it deleted itself.
So now, I give you the song I am now hooked on. This is what happens when you listen to Elaine Paige's radio show. I know, I know, it's wierd. But come on, admit it....It's pretty amazing. Good luck getting it out of your head!
Eight-Leggedly Yours
The Literary Spider
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Thought about the villain question, and can't much help. Partly because it's so difficult for an absolutely thoroughgoing villain - as opposed to a mere anti-hero or antagonist - to remain likeable, or even interesting, without stepping outside his box a bit. Evil or even mere wickedness unmodified is head-thumpingly boring, even given quirks or lumps of irrelevant niceness.
And Hollywood is seldom very subtle.
Tanith Lee's Azhrarn, Night's Master from her Flat Earth books, might come nearest to what you're looking for; but hell's going to freeze over before any beggar films one!
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